SPEAKER_01 0:04

Hi, this is Piper Harris, and welcome to our Dynamic Mind Podcast, a collaborative chat between untangled mind and dynamic growth counseling and consulting services, where we offer our clients a holistic approach to mental health counseling and consulting. We're excited to bring you our collaborative conversation of the day. On today's episode, Piper is thrust into the fishbowl where she and Susan dig into her basis A results and learn what all of it means. We chat about how the Elyrian Psychology inventory makes an enormous difference in our clients' lives. So tune in and learn more about this amazing tool and examine all you want to know about what makes Piper tick as she swims through the proverbial fishbowl in this episode. Hi guys, welcome, welcome, welcome to the Dynamic Mind Podcast and vodcast. I'm Piper Harris.

SPEAKER_00 0:59

I'm Dr. Susan Balange.

SPEAKER_01 1:00

And like we told you months ago, we're just now getting to it. We are actually going to be going over the basis A inventory, which is something that we offer our clients. It's part of our holistic approach. And we thought the best way to teach you about it was to do it on me. Yay. So I'm going to actually pass it over to Dr. Balanji because she's going to explain exactly what the basis A inventory is and why it is so helpful for our clients. So take it away.

SPEAKER_00 1:30

Okay. So the basis A inventory is the lifestyle assessment that's based on Edlyan psychology. And so when we talk about lifestyle, what we're not talking about is like lifestyles of the rich and famous. Alfred Adler, you know, lived kind of back in the early 1900s. He was a colleague with Freud. And but what made him different from many of the psychologists from that time period was his emphasis on belonging and his emphasis on, you know, really looking at why we do what we do. And not seeing it as, you know, some unconscious impulse, but rather a combination of our early childhood experiences, our perceptions of those, our interactions with our family and our siblings. And it just culminates into this way that we go about living. So it's a style of living or a style of life, but the easier way of translating that from German to English was lifestyle. So we're not lifestyles with the turn famous today. We're talking about uh Piper's lifestyle personality traits. And so this assessment, 65 questions, takes five to 10 minutes to do, super easy. It's all about strengths.

SPEAKER_02 2:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:40

Um, it is not pathologizing, it is not diagnostic. It's not going to say, oh, well, you have depression or oh, you're schizophrenic.

SPEAKER_02 2:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:47

So it's really more just um as a way to figure out here's what you bring to the table. Um, probably the best analogy or metaphor that I use uh when I've used it with clients or in my consultation work so far is imagine it's like a set of playing cards that you get to hold in your hand and you get to decide how you play them, how do you use them? So again, Adlerian psychology is about a psychology of use, not possession. So it doesn't matter that you have these traits, it's how do you actually use them? How do they show up in your life? How do you use them at work or in your relationships and things like that? So as we go today and kind of walk through the different scales on the on the basis A, of which there are 10, uh, you'll hear us talk about how does this show up? How do you use this, you know, in your work, in your personal life and and things like that. So you'll get a glimpse of what you can expect if you were to do this with me. Um, we're gonna use the same format. Um, and you know, yeah, it may be that we end up doing a couple of videos just because this gets it could get pretty long.

SPEAKER_01 3:48

So the cool thing is uh why we offer this to clients, and you have the choice um when you come to work with us, whether you want counseling, you know, you can do basis A or not. But why we offer it is because again, it's strengths focused because counseling part of our process is we create a treatment plan, and that's such a yucky clinical word. And part of that is we do have to define behavioral issues, right? And interventions, and interventions, and so this is a way for us to say, we do not think you are broken, period. That's just how our field does it. But what it helps us do is she sits down with you, she has your session, she sends me all the results. We talk about the results, and then we input it into your treatment. So again, it's not, hey, you're just depressed or you're just anxious. It's like, hey, this is a strength, or often, like I'll be in session with someone and they've made great strides, and then they're really upset. They're like, I feel like I took 10 steps back. I'm like, hold on, this is just your going along showing up really high. Let's kind of try to examine why is it showing up right now? What's going on? And then, like she said, we pull from the deck, we pull a different strength from the deck, the deck. And it's really about strengths and then the drawback. It's two sides of the same coin.

SPEAKER_00 5:07

Yep, exactly right. So obviously, we want our our uh folks that we work with to land on the strength side as much as you possibly can. And there is such a thing as overdoing a strength. You can overdo a strength and then it just it flips your coin over. So we got to figure out um, A, what what are those strengths that you're already bringing to the table? Again, kind of what are the cards you're holding in your hand? And then this will show us to a degree how you've been playing them. So we'll talk about highest and lowest scores and things like that as we go to. Um, so that way you know yourself in kind of a more active, movement-focused way. This is this is how I live, this is how I go about my day, and this is where this trait shows up, and this is where this trait shows up. Um, so that way, again, it's it's an insight builder. So then you get to make decisions about is this working for me or do I need to shift it? And that's what you would focus on in your work with Piper.

SPEAKER_01 5:58

And here's what's cool too is what Susan's doing. I call her Dr. Belange, but I just call her Susan. Sorry, y'all. But what's really neat about what she has done too, with um what she's doing with our practice is we kind of have like two sections, counseling and consulting. And so what she's doing with the basis A as well is going to organizations and saying, let's do this. Let's show you how your your C-suite shows up, let's show how your managers show up, and let's show you how your teams show up and how we can work together. And so this is not like um you might get from your typical executive coaches where it's like, oh, we're gonna do the MBTI or the Strengths Finder, Strengths Finder or the Enneagram, or any of those things. This is different, and this is actually rooted in you and this lifestyle psychology. It is very different than any of the other inventories that you can take out there. Um, and and so again, it's we're excited. We're excited for her work with corporations, we're excited for our clients that come in for counseling. Here's the fun thing about this, too, is I have done this. This is my third time doing it with Susan. I've known her for we've been here 13 years, 14 years. So maybe I've won't known you longer. So at least 10 years. And so she has a very distinct understanding of my background. And so you guys are gonna learn a lot of stuff um today. And so we just hope that this opens your eyes and gets you really excited about um these are the tools that we offer you because we want you to find your wholeness, we want you to find your healing and excitement and and vibrancy for life. And this really is gonna do it. So, with much further ado, she's gonna start.

SPEAKER_00 7:37

Okay. So the first thing that um, you know, we do obviously you you take you take the inventory, you send it to me, we score it together. Um, although, you know, Piper again kind of scored this on on her own because she's done it before and she knew what she was doing. Um, so what I have in my hand that I'll be kind of showing every so often is um this is the score sheet. Um, and then we're gonna be looking a lot at a chart where the five main scales get plotted. And so we're gonna start um and kind of go through each scale one at a time. And I'll explain first, you know, here's what the scale is measuring, here's where your score falls. This is kind of a beginning interpretation, and then I kind of toss the ball to Piper and say, now tell me, you know, how does this, how does this show up? Where do you think you use this? You know, how does this work for you? Um, and then we'll talk about how do you think it gets in your way. So it's kind of again the two sides of the same coin. How does it work in your life? And then how does it get in your way? And that kind of points to if I were to make any changes, um, you know, what would I want to do with it? How would I want to use it perhaps a little bit differently than I have been? So so that's what we're gonna talk about.

SPEAKER_01 8:43

Yep. And we're gonna um make sure that we, once we're done recording this, we're gonna show you my plotted chart. My is that called a scatter plot?

SPEAKER_00 8:50

Um, no, it's just a graph.

SPEAKER_01 8:52

It's just a graph.

SPEAKER_00 8:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 8:53

So, but we'll make sure to show you how I plotted on the basis A as well. So you guys have an idea because you'll get the same thing.

SPEAKER_00 8:59

Yep. Okay. All right. So the first scale that we're gonna talk about is the belonging and social interest scale. And what this is measuring is not so much do you have or feel belonging or not, it's more how do you go about belonging? Do you do it with people and be more of an outgoing and you know, extroverted kind of a person versus um, which is higher scores or lower scores point to somebody who's more of a one-on-one, small group kind of a preference. So that's what this scale is is measuring. And um Piper's score was a 31, which sits inside this um this shaded area. And I guess let me let me orient people to the chart a little bit. So when you look at the chart, and I don't know if it'll show kind of with our lighting, but there's a shaded area kind of right in here. And so most of the scores are going to fall in that shaded area. If you've got scores outside of that shaded area, it just means it's a stronger sense you have. It's again not good or bad to be inside or outside of the shaded area. So Piper's score is a 31, which is inside that shaded area, but it's also kind of on the lower side. Um, and so I would begin by saying Piper's preference is more of a one-on-one kind of an interaction style. And the strength that comes from being more of a one-on-one is you nurture relationships. Um, so because you have a smaller inner circle around you that you prefer, you're gonna spend more time really letting those people know that you care about them. And that's the strength side. The drawback side is because you're okay to be by yourself. Well, it's easy to go into retreat mode. And then it's trying to figure out okay, when do I come back out of retreat mode?

SPEAKER_01 10:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:35

So that's the strength side and the drawback side. So now we play catch. Yeah, I toss to you. How do you think this one-on-one preference way of belonging shows up in your life?

SPEAKER_01 10:44

You know, it's so funny because um I can remember, I mean, grade school, junior high, high school, even college, I thought I was an extrovert, but I think it was something I was putting on. But when I started getting older, I found I was super anxious in big groups. And even to the now, I'm like, I that's too many people. That that's too many people. So, but the the one-on-one, give me one person, like me and Susan, like give me her. I'm great, or maybe one other, give me a group of five women and I'm scared. It's really weird. And so I remember years ago, I heard um somebody say, You're not extrovert, you're not an introvert, you're an ambivert. You're you can flex, I can put on a mask, I guess is what it is. But I do prefer one-on-one. Now, what I'll say is that because I prefer that, I have a very small like group of people that I hold on to, and I get very lonely. There's times where I'm like, I am so lonely. Like, that's when I go to the grocery store and start talking to the produce manager. So that happens.

SPEAKER_00 11:51

So, so yeah, so with where Piper score sits, again, kind of in the shaded area, there is room to even be lower on this than than where Piper is. Um, and again, there's room to be to be higher on this. And so the the idea about an amber vert um fits because when you have scores in the shaded area, it means you can tap into that higher side, you can you can do the group stuff and feel okay. It just takes more energy out of you.

SPEAKER_01 12:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:16

And then your regroup time is like, okay, I need to go read a book, I need to go pet my dog, I need to go be by myself for a little bit. Um, so again, just because you're low or high doesn't mean you can't do what the other end of the spectrum is. Um, it just takes more out of you.

SPEAKER_01 12:31

So let me ask you too, because what I've noticed just over the years is I'm fine if I go speak to a giant crowd because it's not real interaction. I'm just talking at, um, but if I have to like really interact, that's is that normal? Like I can do, I can talk to thousands of people. I've done it, not a big deal, but you put me in a group of five to ten and I I I clam up. I can't. So what's that about?

SPEAKER_00 12:58

Well, so I think it's it's trying to figure out so the and it the flexibility that comes with having scores in the middle, right? In the shaded area, the strength side is you can go both ways. The drawback side is which way do I go?

SPEAKER_02 13:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 13:11

And so it may be that, you know, you you're wanting to have meaningful interaction, but you know, it's like, how do I go about doing that? What because it's more than I'm than I'm comfortable with.

SPEAKER_02 13:23

Yeah. Right.

SPEAKER_00 13:24

So again, it's not that you can't do it. It's just, you know, as you as you survey the room of, you know, 10, 20 people, it may be like, well, who do I go to first? Yes. Who am I going to talk to first? I'm like, there's that that one. Right. And then and then that gets you back into this is my strength side now. I'm playing my strength side of my one-on-one. Let me attend to you. And then when that conversation ends, it's like, okay, who's going to be my next? Yeah. Who's going to be my next person?

SPEAKER_01 13:48

Yeah. So I can see that. So let me ask you this too, with the belonging, because you said I'll have like a core group. What I've noticed with um relationships over the years is I'll like pour into like one person. And ultimately that doesn't work out real well because it's too much. Is that part of the belonging social interest, or what's that about?

SPEAKER_00 14:07

Um, I think that that points to um, and I'm it's actually a really good question. It points to the interaction between um several of the traits. So even though we're going to talk about them kind of one at a time, really they make a puzzle. And so part of our our time together is figuring out what what puzzle does it does it make and and you know which ones it tend to pop out first. And so what you're talking about um is is more the another scale on here that we'll get to in a few minutes called the being cautious scale, um, that points to the way that you observe. Okay. Right. And and kind of watching. Um, and so that that's coming into play here too. So in trying to figure out, like, you know, where am I going to position myself? How am I going to do this? It's, you know, what am I seeing? What am I picking up on and observing in other people? Um, that's kind of coming into play too.

SPEAKER_01 14:59

Okay. So you were saying too, it's a lifestyle, childhood. And I know we've talked a lot about birth order. Does that have anything to do with this?

SPEAKER_00 15:06

Yeah. So this lifestyle is the culmination. It's the it's the coming together of a number of factors. So certainly family factors, um, interpersonal factors. Um, a lot of people talk about temperament and attachment and things like that. And and Adler was really the first person to really talk about that, even though he didn't use that term. Um, so so yeah, it's a culmination of um intrapersonal stuff that's that's just you and how you perceive and think about the world, um, as well as interpersonal, right? So interactions with siblings, parents, anybody else that was part of your, you know, your family or your, you know, the unit of people that you lived with growing up as a kid. Um, so when we think about, you know, a kind of a typical childhood, you know, you have your family life and you get used to that. And your personality starts to form in shape from those interactions. Um, and then you go to school. Yep. And then it broadens a little bit, and the different people that you interact with there are going to continue to morph and and influence how your personality continues to form. Um, so yeah, so this the concept of lifestyle takes everything into consideration. Okay. So I I we'll get the full picture when we get through all the skills for you.

unknown 16:15

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 16:15

Yep. Perfect. All right. Okay. So the next one is called Going Along. Yep. And what this is measuring is how much do you pay attention to details, rules, um, expectations in order to follow them, which are higher scores, or people who are lower on this, maybe they want to know what those expectations are so they can figure out their own way of doing it. So it's a little bit more of an independent, you know, mindset, um, uh, a creativity, a spontaneity that comes with it. So um entrepreneurs tend to be lower on this um just because they think outside the box. Yeah. Um, and again, not to say that entrepreneurs can't be high on this scale either. So um, so that's what it's measuring. So high scores and um Piper's score was a 33. Let me just double check, a 33, um, which means that it sits at the top of the shaded area, right? So knowing that the score is in the shaded area means again, flexibility. We can have the best of both worlds. Um, Piper score trends on the higher side, though. Um, and so what that means is your first inclination is going to be, let me make a plan, let me create some structure around this so I know what I'm doing. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah. So that's the strength side is you know, having this preference, wanting to know the expectations so you can kind of check the box. The drawback side is when life does what it does and throws curveballs, yeah. How quickly can you come up with a contingency plan? Yeah, right. And how much stress does it cause you? Um, so again, there's more room to be higher on this than Piper is, and there's there's certainly room to be lower. Um, but again, kind of having the majority of your score kind of in that shaded area means, and and just knowing what I know about you, the the creative let me come at this from a different angle. You have that ability, but then it always comes back to, and this is how it comes into the plan.

SPEAKER_01 18:07

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 18:08

So that at least that's kind of my read on it. Tell me how do you see it?

SPEAKER_01 18:12

No, I agree because I like plans. I mean, but I also don't like it if it's like you have to do it. That bugs me. I get a little itchy. So I do. I love the creative part, but I do always have a basic structure, you know, kind of like when it comes to like business stuff. Um, you know, Fridays are my administrative days, or Monday mornings are my social media time before I go to work, or I get my tablet ready for all my clients before I start the day. And I have that, but I can always shift. Um, and so what I love about um even like I hated social media for a really long time. Um, and I'm starting to get back into it. And I was actually talking to one of our network providers about it the other day. What I'm now enjoying is the creative part of it. I can have fun with it because I no longer have an attached like worth to it, and I have to do this. It's I want to do this, I think I have good stuff to say. Pat myself on the back. But um, but it's fun. I get that creative kind of punch, but I always go back to hey Piper, you don't have the time right now. So I I do do that, I do block my time. Um, so yeah, I can see that. And and I think too, like, um, I used to be a chef, and it's the same thing. Like, I have to follow this, the rest of the recipe. Like, I have to follow how hot the oven is or whatever it is, but then when it comes to making the food, that's where I'm just all in and I have so a ton of fun and I get lost in the process.

SPEAKER_00 19:40

Yeah, yeah. So again, there's the best of both worlds, right? So we feel good. Uh-huh. Um, so one of the things that um I I guess let me let me kind of hold up and and show if we can. Yeah, that's perfect. So um, so if this is Piper's score, you'll notice there's what what we call a range box around it. Um, and let me explain that a little bit. So from uh from a psychology standpoint, we know that when when somebody takes an assessment, you know, you're gonna have a uh what's called a raw score, right? So the questions that went into that particular scale, the going long scale, um, you know, Piper answered a certain way and then it totaled up to be a certain number. So in this case it was a 33. Um, if Piper were to take this again, you know, again, she's taking it a couple times, and we've we were talking about um, you know, how we noticed some changes and some, you know, some fluctuation. Yeah. And that's that's to be expected. So this range box means that today it might have been a 33. The next time you take it, it might be a 35 or it might be a 31. Um, and so we know that your score sits somewhere kind of within this range versus it being like, no, this is your exact score. Um, so I'm mentioning that now because I'm noticing that there is this little piece of Piper's range box that sticks up above the shaded area. And what I say about that when I see that is that kind of anchors her on that top side. So even though there is flexibility and creativity in things that she can tap into, because the majority of her score sits inside the shaded area, this little piece that kind of sticks out up top says, I'm probably gonna come back to a place of what was my plan. Yeah. So when something starts to go awry in the creative process, or like, oh, that, you know, that didn't lend itself to the taste of this dish like I thought it would. What do I do now? Um, so Piper's the one that's always gonna come back to, okay, what was the original recipe? What was the original plan? And you know, is what do I need to shift? And because you have the ability to be creative, it's like, okay, I can come up with a new way of doing this. I can figure this out.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

It's kind of like counseling too, right? Yes, very much. I mean, that's that makes more sense because I I do like figuring out. I send my clients tons of assessments, a a ton of them. And I like numbers, I like data, I like to prove what we're doing is working. Um, so I can see that with the the counseling process. Like I'm rooted in, okay, this is what I know it is. Like we're working with panic disorder. So that's the thing that's I'm rooted in. So I'm going to study the thing, but then I allow creativity within sessions. Is that accurate?

SPEAKER_00 22:15

Exactly. Right. Okay. So one of the things that um, you know, that we have to keep in mind in the mental health world is, you know, just because it's it looks one way and people are talking about something in session, you know, in one way, we know that it can shift and morph and change. And so if we've got to have that awareness of, well, this worked in the last session, but it doesn't seem to be clicking today. So what can I change to? What can I shift to? Um, and so I think that's that's one of the strengths for you is having your score be where it is, you can be more fluid.

SPEAKER_01 22:47

Yeah. Yeah. So very cool. I just I didn't even think about that. But yeah, because I love the numbers, I love the data, and I do. That's my safety, right? When I don't feel good about something, like maybe I try a new technique and it just falls totally flat, I usually feel awful. And that, but then I go back to okay, time to study. What what where where did I go wrong? How do I shift this? Because I don't want that again, right?

SPEAKER_00 23:12

So, okay, right. That makes sense. And the way that you nurture relationships. So now if we start to bring scales together, okay, right? So you have a plan, you create this idea um, you know, before each session, kind of knowing what you know about your client. But then if your client comes in and like they just had a tragedy in their family or something, you know, just happened, you're capable to set that aside and say, no, let's tend to, you know, this and let me nurture kind of what you need right here, right now in this moment. And I'm okay to let my plan sit.

SPEAKER_01 23:41

Let me ask you, something just came to mind about the relationship part. So back to more of a personal part. In the past, I have been like, this is what a friendship is. And if it's not the way the friendship is, I am crushed. And so, and I try to be flexible, but I wonder if I'm not.

SPEAKER_00 24:00

Well, I think that that speaks a little bit to another another element of the going along scale. So we've been talking about, you know, rules, structure, plans. It's it's also about um values. Oh, and how do you define for yourself friendship? How do you define um you know rules that I live by, right? So we we hope that everybody believes that red lights exist for a really good reason and that we're supposed to stop when we get to one. Right. Um we know that some people don't. So um, so anyway, when we think about you know the rules that you live by, um, and you know, I would say for you that one of your rules is you never want somebody to leave you um or leave an interaction with you feeling um feeling like they weren't valued.

SPEAKER_01 24:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:48

So when you think about the emphasis you place on that and then the definition of friendship, um, if there's if it if there's not the flexibility, right? So if the strength side doesn't come in and allow you that fluidity and flexibility, depending on what's some going on for what's some what is going on for somebody in that moment, it may feel like, you know, this isn't working for me.

SPEAKER_01 25:12

Yeah, yeah, I feel unseen. I feel like, well, I just poured into them. Okay, interesting. I still learn 10 years or three times, I'm still learning. And believe me, in our supervision session, she'll be like, Piper, this is showing up. She'll bring it up.

SPEAKER_00 25:27

I'm like, oh so again, we always we always come back to you know, how how do we use the awareness to make sure you're using it on the strengths. So, all right. So the next one is called taking charge, and it measures how much of a natural-born leader do you see yourself to be. Um, and higher scores, yes, you see yourself as as being more of a leader. Um, lower scores point to having a more of a collaborative kind of a spirit in the way that you lead. Um, again, not that you can't step up and take charge of a situation, but if you're lower on this, it's going to take more out of you. Okay. And it probably is going to be like a situation that you would feel comfortable to do that in is something like, yes, I know how to achieve in this moment. I know how to get the job done in this moment. I'm willing to step into that leadership role in that instance. Okay. Um, so your score was a numerically a 25, um, but you're sitting at the top of the shaded area, and you do have another little piece outside of the shaded area on the side.

SPEAKER_01 26:26

So if you know me, you're not surprised by this.

SPEAKER_00 26:28

So that anchors that anchors you in that upper, you know, upper side. Um, you're not a tele of the hun. That's not my way.

SPEAKER_02 26:36

I'm not yet.

SPEAKER_00 26:38

So um, so it is kind of a best of the both worlds um analogy here, too. So you can listen and collaborate, um, but you're also going to feel comfortable and feel like you have a voice to step into that. No, this is the direction we need to go.

SPEAKER_01 26:52

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 26:53

And because you're going along, and if I again kind of show to the camera, this is the one we're talking about. This is the one we just finished talking about. So they're very close. Yeah. So the way that you lead most often is is with sharing your plan. Here's my plan.

SPEAKER_01 27:10

Yeah. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 27:10

Um, so again, you can you can lead just naturally. It's it's kind of the natural inclination according to this. Um, but the way that you go about leading, how you go about leading, the two cards you play together is like, I'm gonna, this is what I think we should do, and here's the plan.

SPEAKER_01 27:24

Okay, right.

SPEAKER_00 27:25

Or here's the plan I think it's a really good one. So you can kind of kind of play them, you know, almost simultaneously.

SPEAKER_01 27:31

Let's talk about that. Do you feel like that with me? Let's talk about that with my taking charge and going along. Yeah, okay. Tell them about that.

SPEAKER_00 27:39

So, so yeah, so I mean, I think that um, you know, when it comes to um for me, this is this is a new endeavor, right? So doing consultation work for me um is in this format and and focusing on it in in this way is new. Yeah. And so I'm very much benefiting from Piper's, no, we need to do this and here's the plan, and this, you know, we need to do this first, and and and and so it's really been a blessing um because you know, coming out of um, you know, a therapy background for a number of years now, um, and I also am a pro am a professor, yeah, right. So I'm not um doing the consultation stuff or haven't in this in this way in quite some time. So so to have the guidance be like, no, here's here's the checkbox, we need to do this first and this and this and this has been but the drawback of that is, and we know this, I get a little, a little pushy. Well, no, I I wouldn't say pushy, it's it's it's the because there's there's just so much to do, right? When you when you launch a business, um, you know, at times it's like, oh my gosh, that's a lot, that's a lot to think about. Um but because you've done it before, yeah, right, and that's your experience, it's like, no, this is this is coming from a place of I want Susan to be successful. I want, you know, and and these are the things that I found that work that help me be successful. Um, and so so yeah, it's not a pushy. It's you know, for me, yeah, you know, it's your lifestyle interacting with my lifestyle about trying to be good enough. Am I gonna be good enough? And so when I hear all the things.

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